Na Na Na Na Hey Hey Hey Good Bye!

[cj hood]

the phillies salary was $130 million for 2009....

breaking news: phillies just exercised the $9million option on Lee....(not $161 million, but $9)

[RobMoney$]

Originally Posted by Burnout18

here is another fun stat:

The Yankees have 11 players on the World Series roster from their farm system, the Phillies have 8.

I counted the phillies players myself, can you tell me if i am wrong?

Even more pathetic that their payroll is as high as it is then.



Here's a fun stat for you.
Your steroid addicted 3rd baseman makes more money then the entire Pittsburgh Pirates team.

Am I wrong?

[RobMoney$]

Originally Posted by cj hood

the phillies salary was $130 million for 2009....

breaking news: phillies just exercised the $9million option on Lee....(not $161 million, but $9)

The playoff roster totaled $113m.
That $130m included people like Geoff Jenkins and Adam Eaton who we cut in the spring and we bought out their contracts. Also Jamie Moyer & JC Romero who were injured and not on the playoff roster.
It's not that we're cheap, we spend as much as anyone.
Well, almost anyone.

There's spending, and then there's insanity to the point that it's an unfair advantage.

[RobMoney$]

Phillies have declined to pickup Brett Myers option making him a FA.

I'm guessing they will decline starting 3rd baseman Pedro Feliz's $5 million dollar option too. They'll pocket the money and bring him back for less as a FA, or go in another direction.
If we were the Yankees, we'd bring him back for $10mil a year because "you gotta pay to keep your players if you wanna be a champion".

[cj hood]

i think we should pay Feliz....f' myers....

[RobMoney$]

I'd rather try to get Mark DeRosa.

[Burnout18]

Originally Posted by RobMoney$

Even more pathetic that their payroll is as high as it is then.



Here's a fun stat for you.
Your steroid addicted 3rd baseman makes more money then the entire Pittsburgh Pirates team.

Am I wrong?

Yes you are wrong. Alex made (base) 32 million this year. The Pirates payroll at the start of 09 was 48.6 million. Arod makes 32 million this year and next year. That number decreases to 20 million by 2017.

http://baseball.about.com/od/newsrum...amsalaries.htm

Do not forget it was the texas rangers that set the precedent with the 200+ mil contract, imagine if it was the new york yankees...

BTW i read you fell for the JC romero lie about how he picked up shit from GNC? oh my god what a biased individual you are. I believe he did get stuff from gnc, but stuff on the side too, manny-style. That Roger Clemens-like excuse was nice but not believable..... Anyways what a stain on that 08 championship team, I thought baseball had it's first steroid free championship, i guess not :-(

[Burnout18]

So far all i got from today:

1) Trading the farm for 1 cy young pitcher= perfectly ok; trading an all-star for an allstar creates a gun for hire. OHHHHKAY

2) Your spending theory is shot to shit when i bring up teams like the Rockies and Rays. Your analogies are boring for the most part but I would like you to explain the ferrari in the toyota race. The ferrari does not win every race, in fact it only won 5 in my lifetime....ready? go.

3) Yankees had more home grown farm players than the phillies, but you asked us how we are supposed to root for the "gun for hire" team? Ask yourself.

Come on,,, why don't you just come out and say it; If the phillies lost you already had the built in excuse ready to go. Honestly if the yankees rattled off 15 of the next 17 championships then yes, maybe payroll is a distinct advantage. But for the first time in 9 years they win and you blame the one thing they had for the past 9 years? Man get the fuck out with that bullshit. WAHHHHHHHHHHH

[RobMoney$]

I've already shot down everyone of those "questions".
Multiple times.
You'll never get it. I'm not going to keep typing the same facts over and over just for you to ignore them.
Your team spends 200m, and the next team is spending 130m on down, but it's a fair competition. I hear you loud and clear, bro.


The fact of the matter is that the Yankees have no choice but to outspend the entire league by almost double.
As I've already proved with kaiser, all Yankees fans are as fair-weather as they come.
They entire reason ANYONE becomes a fan of the Yankees is because of the Championships. If it wasn't, you'd be a Mets fan.

If the Yankees spent inline with the rest of the league and competed fairly, they'd only win once in a while too, and all the bandwagon fans would not even pay attention anymore.
There are too many other distractions in NYC for anyone to stick by a losing team faithfully.
They'd have to move to California the same way the Dodgers and the Giants did.


And as for the Arod vs Pirates FACT,
I'm talking about the Pirates payroll at the end of the year, not the begining.
Yes, the Pirates started out with a 45m. payroll, and then they had TO SELL OFF THEIR BEST PLAYERS, Nate McClouth and Adam Larouche, BECAUSE THEY COULDN"T AFFORD TO KEEP THEM BECAUSE THEY CAN"T COMPETE WITH THE 'HAVES' OF THE LEAGUE.

Get it yet?
Thanks for making my point for me.

[monkey]

i didnt really want to get in on this stupid back and forth about the yankees and whether or not their fans are true fans or not... but seriously, there are some seriously faulty arguments being thrown around.

lets start with this: i am a yankees fan. have been since 1992. that was the year i arrived in canada, and the blue jays went to the world series, and i had never seen baseball before 1992, but that year, i watched it with my dad. we both learned it. and the yankees were the team that wore those dapper pinstripes, and they were from the city we were going to live in. so they were fucking magical to 10 year old me. i started playing softball. i had NO coordination, and that giant fucking ball bruised the fuck out of my body. (oh and the yankees kinda sucked in 92. i mean, not terribly, but not winners. not like the blue jays frenzy that swept toronto. and i was living there during that time! mattingly... i remember mattingly...)

cut to the summer before my freshman year of high school - 1996. my best friend's dad took us to see the yankees that summer. i fell into deep teenage lust with derek jeter. i watched/listened every game after that, listening to it on the radio because i wasn't allowed to watch tv all that much. the 96 series was just about the most exciting thing that had happened in our silly little teenaged lives. it was the most normal and american thing about me at the time, when i was still mostly an immigrant.

after that, yes, i rooted hard, and they were an amazing team in the late 90's. holy shit, they were on fire. i could have found another team to root for, i couldve rooted for the mets, but they were a joke! i had pledged my allegiance to the yankees already, how the fuck was i supposed to know it wasnt cool cause they spent a lot of money?!!

as a bit of tmi - the first time my first bf and i did it, it was while watching a yankees game...

now, i KNOW im not the only one with a long story about how they became a fan. nearly everyone i know that's a fan has their own. every fan of nearly every sport has a story about how they came to root for the team they root for. so why is it so wrong for the yankees fans to like the yankees? not only that, but every SINGLE team, when they're doing particularly well, get fair weather fans. there is no way in hell you can deny that. maybe the yankees have more fair weather fans? maybe. it's a big fucking city and bigger fucking state, not to mention the reputation they've garnered. but it's not impossible to consider that there are fans who are committed to being fans, all the time. and the whole money thing, about buying a team... if the point was not to buy the best team possible, then the MLB should have set up some regulations. baseball, like most other sports, is a business. and in business, it takes money to make money. but i dont think that just because they pay some of the members of the yankees insane amounts of money that they're any less committed to being a yankee than any other guy playing for any other team for any regular chunk of change. this is the same in nearly every sport i know where great players are compensated handsomely. and it's true in sports where you're not compensated at all! a person will play hard and fight for the team they're playing because that's proper sportsmanship.

thasit.

[RobMoney$]

Originally Posted by Burnout18

I would like you to explain the ferrari in the toyota race. The ferrari does not win every race, in fact it only won 5 in my lifetime....ready? go.

YOUR 'CAR' IS FAR AND AWAY MORE EXPENSIVE AND FAR AND AWAY FASTER THAN EVERYONE ELSES 'CAR'.

YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO WIN THE RACE EVERYTIME WHEN YOU HAVE SUCH A CLEAR ADVANTAGE.

It's hilarious to me that you only have 27 titles.

It's like Lebron James playing a bunch of 11 & 12yo. kids. in basketball and Bron-Bron throwing himself a parade and singing "NA NA NA NA HEY HEY HEY GOOOOOOODBYE" when he wins.
That's how obnoxious this thread is.

[RobMoney$]

Originally Posted by monkey

i could have found another team to root for, i couldve rooted for the mets, but they were a joke!

THIS.



Ask yourself this tho, Monkey...
Why do you think your father gravitated towards the Yankees over the Blue Jays at that point in time.
Why not the Mets either? They were from the same city you were going to be moving to.
Your Dad wasn't rooting for that Yankees team of 1992.
I'm guessing he was drawn to the team of Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Joe DiMaggio, Reggie Jackson, and all the rest.

I'm not trying to debate that you've paid whatever dues while being a fan, but you've gotta admit I have a point about rooting for an established winner.

[monkey]

Originally Posted by RobMoney$

THIS.



Ask yourself this tho, Monkey...
Why do you think your father gravitated towards the Yankees over the Blue Jays at that point in time.
Why not the Mets either? They were from the same city you were going to be moving to.
Your Dad wasn't rooting for that Yankees team of 1992.
I'm guessing he was drawn to the team of Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Joe DiMaggio, Reggie Jackson, and all the rest.

I'm not trying to debate that you've paid whatever dues while being a fan, but you've gotta admit I have a point about rooting for an established winner.

my father didnt gravitate towards the yankees. he gravitated towards baseball. he watched them all, rooted for none. maybe the blue jays, if anyone. I remember him being really happy when the blue jays won the series. I gravitated towards the yankees with my very own little brain. I actually taught my dad about yankees history, after reading every (easy) book on the subject i could find in my local library during the summer of 1993. (reading is how i learned english, i spent 1993 reading.)
you have to realize that there are people who just connect to a team at some point for some reason. i had no clue the mets were from ny until that time of reading. my dad took us to our first game that summer, mets 1993. it was a fun game. i had no allegience to the mets though, i dont know why they just didnt seem as exciting. that happens. to some people it happens through childhood, to some it happens randomly as they grow up, some people dont find that until they're older. fans are fans, and it's silly to debate the merits of who's a better, more dedicated fan. there's always someone with the biggest dick, but that doesn't mean that the team doesn't mean something to someone in their own way.

[kaiser soze]

Don't even bother monkey, Robmoney is so far up his ass it won't matter what you tell him. For god's sake he thinks I was "jumping on the bandwagon" at age 5. I already told him I loved the game beyond the MLB.

Anyways, he's a sore loser to say the least. Not a single other Phillies fan has acted this way here, so honestly it's not about the Yankees it's about Robmoney$. He has already said he hates NY, the Yankees, and their fans...why he carries on in our thread is beyond me, he can easily opt not to post in it.

So with that said

World Fucking Champions!

p.s.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DQs3...eature=related

[RobMoney$]

Hey, enjoy your PURCHASED win.
I've just tried to explain how the rest of the entire baseball world views the situation with the Yankees.

Congrats Lebron, congrats Ferrari racecar driver, congrats NY Yankees, you really earned it.



Also, I never said I hated NYC. I love that place. I go there several times a year.

[pshabi]

This thread is Special Olympics. Nice one, guys.

[Burnout18]

Originally Posted by RobMoney$

YOUR 'CAR' IS FAR AND AWAY MORE EXPENSIVE AND FAR AND AWAY FASTER THAN EVERYONE ELSES 'CAR'.

YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO WIN THE RACE EVERYTIME WHEN YOU HAVE SUCH A CLEAR ADVANTAGE.

It's hilarious to me that you only have 27 titles.

It's like Lebron James playing a bunch of 11 & 12yo. kids. in basketball and Bron-Bron throwing himself a parade and singing "NA NA NA NA HEY HEY HEY GOOOOOOODBYE" when he wins.
That's how obnoxious this thread is.

yet you failed to acknowledge that the "toyota cars" win the majority of races or "11 or 12" win the majority of games. Seriously you failed; another shit, dishonest analogy. Its so sad you had the excuse all ready to go too. At least I like how at least you gave up that gun for hire bullshit once i pointed out to you, that thats how the majority of teams run, including the phillies.

When you go into "new york fans are bandwagon fans" its over.... we get it! We know what this is all about. You don't like the new york teams/fans. It comes across like you are jealous or bitter about something else, and to be honest i wouldn't even popped in if you werent the same shithead who had to downplay the giants super bowl win.

Tell me, whats more difficult: rooting for perennial losers; or knowing that your city's only potential dynasty was crushed by a new york team?

[b i o n i c]

so mad about baseball

[cubsfirstplace]

i'm just happy the yankees won't be getting cliff lee next year

[RobMoney$]

Originally Posted by Burnout18

yet you failed to acknowledge that the "toyota cars" win the majority of races or "11 or 12" win the majority of games. Seriously you failed; another shit, dishonest analogy. Its so sad you had the excuse all ready to go too. At least I like how at least you gave up that gun for hire bullshit once i pointed out to you, that thats how the majority of teams run, including the phillies.

When you go into "new york fans are bandwagon fans" its over.... we get it! We know what this is all about. You don't like the new york teams/fans. It comes across like you are jealous or bitter about something else, and to be honest i wouldn't even popped in if you werent the same shithead who had to downplay the giants super bowl win.

Tell me, whats more difficult: rooting for perennial losers; or knowing that your city's only potential dynasty was crushed by a new york team?

And I'm the one who can't let it go, right?
LOL

[b i o n i c]

Originally Posted by RobMoney$

And I'm the one who can't let it go, right?
LOL

right, rob

[Burnout18]

ahhhhhh hahaha

[RobMoney$]

I heard Tiger Woods will be joining the womens' tour next year in an effort to eclipse the Yankees 27 titles.

Can't wait for the parade.

[RobMoney$]

Also, Stephen Hawking is entering my son's HS science contest.

NA NA NA NA HEY HEY HEY GOOOODBYE freshmen.... WOOOT!

[kaiser soze]

Stephen Hawking can kick the Phillies ass

[RobMoney$]

Originally Posted by kaiser soze

Show me champions who play for free and I'll give you a fucking cookie

Just to show that some teams know how to be a champion and control their payroll...

In addition to declining to resign Brett Myers,
The Phillies just declined the $5.5m option on our starting 3rd baseman, Pedro Feliz.

[Bob]

Originally Posted by b i o n i c

so mad about baseball

for the record my "so mad about baseball" was aimed at you and keyser soze too

i don't get it man

[kaiser soze]

dude I'm happy

[b i o n i c]

Originally Posted by Bob

for the record my "so mad about baseball" was aimed at you and keyser soze too

i don't get it man

you didnt really read what i wrote then.. i forgive you though, but just this one time